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I see if you press G on Rebelle 7 you can check your values.

1:16:44 time stamp so I can refer back to my GOAT

Awesome! Thank you so much for making this I have been looking for like over an hour trying to find some kind of tutorial on using underpaintings in Rebelle. This was super helpful!

Just downloaded Paintstorm for $25. Any chance of you doing a tutorial on using Paintstorm? Not a lot of new info on it and you seem to use it quite a lot.

This video deserves far more views! Thank you!

I'm using Medibang paint pro on Windows, it works pretty well, despite limited brushes, but after this video and all comments praising krita... I'll have to try it now

Totally off topic, but I thought your followers might want to know Paintstorm Studio is on sale for $25. Not sure for how long.

Love what you say about lost edges!! I would like to add that your tip about doing edges as a last step depends on the medium. I paint mostly watercolor and you have to be thoughtful of your edges during the painting process because of water management. Tweaking at the end can be difficult.

Value and lighting is my weak point. I've taken a few courses, and watched 100s of videos explaining it and yours is by far the clearest explanation I've come across. You're a great teacher, thank you so much man. I will continue to watch this over and over again. 👍

Also this made me think of something Loomis said in one of his books. You can't simply rub light and shadow together and make a midtone. You have to choose it.

Great to repost. Didn't expect your livestreams to be so in depth teaching. You should sell a course!

Hi Wes, as I prefer the look of traditional art and the more I study using grayscale digitally the more I’m convinced it simply doesn’t work. Traditional artists work with perceived value. This is because you can’t translate a chosen mid tone grey to a color as a color changes value based on the saturation you choose. This is why the colorize mode digitally gives an artificial look to it since it locks luminosity in an attempt to deal with the saturation issue. The other issue is much of this is being learned by importing paintings from old masters and converting them to grayscale. Don’t forget that taking a traditional painting digital is changing its color profile into something a computer understands. We know this doesn’t work by the difference is changing color profiles for print and how that changes our painting. An example of this is using a saturated yellow vs an desaturated yellow. The software is interpreting it as two different values but really it’s one on color not darkened but desaturated. It you tried painting the darker value with a darker Ellet instead of removing saturation the painting would look off. The other issue becomes when a color is only able to reach a given value before it’s hue changes. You know this by color mixing. Also, there is a difference in a computers mathematical conversion to value and perceived value. Perceived value is far more important to understand as this is what painters had to work with. It seems the closest thing we have to work with is the HSLUV color method which as far as I know only Rebelle offers. It seems the best way to work with color and value as it works with perceived value based on luminosity of a color. It isn’t perfect but it is a step forward.

Great master class Wes! If I may be so bold, do you think you might like to do a class or video about the purpose of different brushes? I sort of intuited what some of them are for like the blocking brush, but a lot of them I am still pretty clueless!

One of the best ways to study lighting is do some lighting and photography. I found that help me understand how light behaves with distance and size of the light.

O well... do you remember i commented i bought Rebelle 7 standard and all that stuff about my skill level? well i got now the upgrade to Pro. I realized Rebelle 7 is so good that went full for it. Thanks Wesley, just wanted to comment on that.

Have you considered putting your Rebelle7 brushes up for download/sale? I'd appreciate it so much :(

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Excuse me from an island country in the Far East, I am commenting through a translator. My question is, I would like to be able to draw oil paintings like you do in Clip Studio. Is there a brush that can do that in Clip Studio?

I think that the third thing you spoke of is Impact, or at least that's how i call it. It's related to the message (or intention or story or personal voice, etc) that you want to convey and how you compose/present it before your audience. So it's possibly related to composition which then also relates to design, the difference is, it's not something technical and can be taught through theories, at least not ones that will apply for everybody because it's an individual thing. These things are rarely shared (through social media), because of how personal and arbitrary it can be, but with that said, I hope that you can pull it off and not stop sharing. Anyway, this is just me thinking along with you as I am also searching and thinking a lot about my own art for the past couple of years. I like what you are doing here, sharing thoughts and questions like this and I am curious as to how you are going to answer them. Don't stop sharing man. Cheers.

I wished more people would get that in art forms like Manga or comics, the plot and characters, and framing, are much more important than the art itself. I have read many technically beautiful Manga in the past whose story was just meh. But no, artists have to be perfect to the last line, I can't tell anymore how often I see people downtalking e.g. a Manga series due to it's artstyle because it is so ugly but they don't even think about how much of an effort it takes to do not only draw one picture but a whole sequenced story.... I want to produce my own Manga someday but this fear of not being good enough is holding me back so much. I am still no master at realism so I don't allow myself to draw what I really want to ("Master the fundamentals"). I was really brainwashed the feeling hat if I am not able to do an artwork for e.g. Magic the Gathering I am not allowed to do manga. I should really just take out my sketchbook and draw with my pencils again though

This is all well and good for painting & illustrations, when it comes to photo editing and manipulation, NOTHING comes close the Photoshop.

Thanks for a really insightful discussion, Wes. What resonated with in me in particular was that looking for the triangle/trifecta around the binary of imagination and realism. To me, it feels like you're talking about abstraction, in the fundamental sense of the term wherein the essence of visual communication lies in emotion, intuition, and -- like you said -- "energy" . This is opposed to realism that at its core can be empirically measured like with the exact dimensions of a human head or sight sizing. But abstraction as a concept has no need for such exactitudes, and even the ambiguity in its terminology speaks volumes of it as an artform unbound by convention. Understandably, this makes it a hotly debated point of discourse in most fine arts circles and ateliers. But I think abstraction exists not in absolutes but in degrees, like a spectrum along imagination and realism. Artists like James Gurney pull reference and inspiration from real life to create fantastical settings infused with wonder, and others like Carolyn Anderson and Yuming Li evoke that through their remarkable brushwork. But there's always an element of abstraction that speaks (in romanticized terms) to the "soul" of the artist and hopefully resonates with the audience as well. But like learning another language, abstraction is different from how art is traditionally taught and requires a shift in both skillset and artistic perspective. Perhaps that would mean cultivating one's unique sense of intuition (before it was overridden with mandates of what art *should* look like) would be a form of going back to the basics? Hopefully that makes sense

I am learning some basic animation and finding myself in the same boat. I need to simplify too! Also I want the story to be strong so my message gets across. Thanks for the great video. I might need to get out my watercolor pencils now too!

I liked your pen, marker and paper piece the best. I think like me you have a little bit of a perfectionist mindset, with a need to "fix" stuff. Which is all good after you have your imaginative stuff down on the page... whatever medium you're working in. I can do it but I struggle with that initial imaginative splurge where you shouldn't literally care, or even think beyond a basic concept when getting stuff out there. That's where the magic lies in any truly creative work. You watch Kopinski with a pen and initially there seems to be no rhyme or reason to the lines he's putting down. I'm sure there is but I think for him its literally unimportant. Afterwards the ordered mind comes to the fore. In writing, "stream of consciousness" exercises have given me the best results once I've ordered the madness. From a famous perspective, The Beatles "Yesterday" started out as "Scrambled Eggs" with some snatches of unrelated melody. I guess if you were to call the third sense maybe name it a bridge conceptually. You want to bring order to the madness you've laid down but you don't want to lose the magic of your initial chaos. An example would be adding structure to a gesture drawing but keeping the concept of the initial gesture. I don't know if thats what you're talking about but I think its part of it. From a Taoist viewpoint I guess it more about balancing in a Yin Yang sense

You were such a blessing from the algorithm, thanks for the fantastic content!🎉

Posterizing your reference into the number of values you want will help with the method you are trying to accomplish. You’ve mentioned in other videos you are more of a painter and don’t really draw much. I think this is why this method is a bit foreign to you since it is taught in academic drawing. If you look up Jeff watts gouache painting you will see that every painting begins with a drawing with value maps. The value maps are the value shapes he decides to use. These shapes are also known as an artists “calligraphy’ and are one of the most important parts of doing this as the shapes must be attractive. One reason he teaches this in gouache before using oil paint is the lack of ability to blend. When working with harder edges you can’t hide poorly designed value shapes but you can go back to soften edges as needed. Once your value shapes are complete you can do some really cool stuff with combinations of warm and cool colors in those value shapes. I have some really good resources I’d be willing to share. If you’re interested reach out to me

Watching this and reading comments convinced me that I need to download krita, but unfortunately when I tried to come up the message says that it's not compatible with my device. Anyone know of anything similar that can be used on a Samsung Galaxy S23?

Yes very true about only 5 values needed. Photographs have literally 100s of values and you don't want to try to match them all. It doesn't take a lot of values to design a scene and communicate the subject.

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I seriously love rebelle and I couldn't agree more the biggest problem was quality of life features but almost all the QoL features I wanted were added in 7 so I'm with rebelle all the way and sometimes clip studio when I need a certain digital feel or need more assistance blocking out a pose or comic layout

When I realize that software could sort out colors through value, I knew it was over, I don't need a grayscale check because it will appear right

Hey Wes, great work on this. Do you do any mentoring/tutoring? If so, what is the best way to reach put and discuss?

i remember sycra bringing up this same concept a very long time ago. i think its something every artist comes to face. how to fix it, it really does seem like that plateau is where youre good enough to create the illusion of something being done but more than likely fundamentally something is off. i think its a good sign a concept has not been explored yet. yes you can do still lifes over and over but if youre not learning anything its just muscle memory practice at that point. and once again you can polish it to make it look presentable. but its not something youre passionate about and art is something we feel and we can feel the energy you put into your work. if the love isnt there we wont feel it. so its a mix. find concepts you havent explored yet, find what you love and practice what you enjoy. ❤

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thank you man

Great video! I like to hear other artists opinions. Especially working artists that actually use all the apps they talk about. I was thinking of getting Paintstorm (which is about $50 now, not $19), but you have me thinking about CSP, now, which are about the same price. I'm still getting used to Rebelle, which at some point, would like to make my main app. I love using wet in wet painting and Photoshop fails miserably there. The mixer brush is abysmal for that and hasn't been updated...ever, I don't think! Of CSP and Paintstorm, which of the two has better wet paint usage and has a more painterly feel. Thanks!

I switched to Davinci Resolve beta + Krita + Canva😢still learning and getting use to it. Sometimes I feel going back to Adobe (comfort zone. Been using it since 2015) But I say to myself…👺💢NO!! I might buy Davinci 20 when it comes out.🍵(sipping green tea)

All of these tips are really good! My favorite is number 4, but I really do appreciate number 5. I'm still on the fence on whether I'm going to switch, and it's nice to hear someone say it's okay to not switch

Hey Wes here’s a question: if I want Clip Studio paint just for painting: there is a nicely priced PRO version and the much more expensive EX version. Will I be happy with just the PRO?

I would love to see some tutorials for artrage and corel painter 2022/3. Thanks!!

I don't like the idea of selling fan art/prints as a method to make money. In places like Japan, Korea, Taiwan, and to a lesser extent France and Italy, people sell derivative work, but it's mostly out of love for the original project. Economically their systems are setup to facilitate smaller artists, in Japan their printing companies are so efficient and capable of working with independent artists, you can order 500 copies of a 20 page book the week before a major convention and have them deliver it there on site, day of and have it cost about 150 bucks.

comics/graphic novels should be done in CSP to begin with.

I'm a current user of CSP Pro 2. I love the texture brushes etc. Is it worth me getting Rebelle? I'm not sure. Perhaps only for watercolor?

The trap of familiarity is a huge problem for everyone and must be overcome if there ever is to be any positive change. Good topic and video, Wes.

I love Krita and MyPaint so much, those is my daily drivers in terms of art programs! (I just don't use Photoshop anyways because I am a Linux user and my PC probably won't handle it)

I watch all of your stuff obviously, but I came back as I do with all your videos and 21:07 art restorers? 😆

I use free version of ps, it doesn't have ai wich is a shame. I use ai for learning purposes. Affinity is nice tool, even better

Between not owning any software, sketchy AI stuff, and early cancellation fees I can’t wait until my photoshop subscription ends. I just figured out today you can use the .ABR brush format in affinity photo so I’m pretty happy about that since I happened to pick up affinity earlier this year. Edit- and just heard Wes say there are compatibility issues so I might have to bite the bullet and get Clip studio. 😅

From your recommendation switched to rebelle 7 pro and Im never looking back. So much fun to use and i know nothing about how traditional brushes work especially with different types of canvases (would be a great video idea) It takes a bit of tinkering but now I just find myself in a zone just trying things and learning. Keep up the great work, your videos help me tremendously.

Adobe really on shambles becouse of pushing AI stuff, is like loosing your business for getting into nfts lol